DON'T GET LEFT BEHIND BY AI! How AI tools like CodePro are changing the way Home Inspectors access code

0:00 Guys, another episode of the ride along here and we are talking about something that is absolutely critical, which is that home buyers have more information than ever before. And there's more access, they have more access to it. It's at their fingertips, it's on their phone. Chat GPT is one stroke of the keyboard away. And we as home inspectors, we are the experts. We've always been the experts on the home, but guys, now it's incumbent upon us. to find a way to offer even more value as home inspectors to home buyers that need as much information as possible in a shorter time frame as possible. So Matt, this is something that is gonna be really heavy for a lot of inspectors to wrap their minds around and get behind this year, but welcome back to the show, Yeah, so I mean, you know, AI and home inspections.

0:48 mean, you know, home inspection really hasn't changed much through the years. uh Our mission is pretty much the same, you know, help buyers help them understand homes and everything. really, you know, what has changed, like you said, is the buyer's availability of information. I mean, even some of the tools, I mean, I got buyers sometimes that show up with their own thermal cam. So I mean, these people are kind of, know, they're watching the videos out there, they're using Chat GPT and they're kind of figuring out how to do this themselves. And so what we've got to do is we've got to stand cutting edge of and bring the value behind, you know, what, and behind our expertise and everything. We have to make sure that we are, you know, steps ahead to make sure that we are more valuable than just your homeowner with Chat GPT and a thermal cam.

1:33 Yeah, and better and faster and more knowledge is the name of the game right now. And guys, seriously, if you guys don't get on board with this, you'll be replaced by someone younger and better who is able to do this in a more timely fashion. And honestly, the, the, the window of time that the realtors and home buyers will pivot to somebody quote unquote better is shorter than ever. So it's, it's seriously something that you guys need to be thinking about how you can be incorporating AI into your workflows and, packing even more information to knowledge and ever into your home inspection. your home inspection reports. So we're gonna be talking about one way to do that, which is an exciting topic that every single home inspector loves, which is code. The thing we're not supposed to quote, yeah.

2:14 Or we're supposed to know. right. Yeah. So we've got, you know, Beau Brown back on the show, who was on the show back in 2025, early 2025, I believe. And then, and then Karl Stump and we actually had these guys on in September in New Orleans. We did some live recording and we talked all about this topic and we were all excited to get it out at the end of 2025. but now here we are in 2026 and we thought, you know, a great way to, uh, kind of get the year started was to bring you guys back on and let's bring up those topics and really get, uh, um, know, Code Pro, uh, out there and let everybody know what it's all about. So Beau, Karl welcome to the show guys.

2:56 Happy to be here. So. Matt. I'm actually, I was thinking about it before the show. I'm actually excited that that audio got deleted. Cause I think that we're it's, it is crazy how fast things are changing right now. Yeah. Beau was awful. That's, that's part of it, but things that things are changing so rapidly right now with AI and technology, it's very hard to keep up with. we're, going to be rolling out an even more updated version. I've got a lot of stuff. that's new with CodePro and AI that I want to talk about and that I'm excited to bring to home inspectors out there. Well, let's just like give everybody, like we keep saying this word CodePro, but let's just get to the meat and potatoes.

3:38 What is it? What is CodePro? Let everybody know. uh CodePro is... Yeah, I know, right? I'll jump in real quick here, give you a summary. uh CodePro is an app basically designed for uh home inspectors, builders, DIYers, anybody that's ever had to worry about a building code or is concerned about the building codes in their profession or just in a project that they've got going on. You can ask it questions about the building codes. It's going to give you answers for the code. for your specific area, for your specific issue only, and then it's going to tell you why that's a problem and where the most common mistake is.

4:21 And it's all geared around demystifying code and making it so that it's as easy as possible to get answers that are 100 % accurate and on the topic that you need answers on. Excellent. Okay, so on that topic, like as inspectors, at least most of us, um I don't know, I mean, you guys are regulated out there in Utah, is that correct? Or do you have licensing or is it headed that direction? it's headed that direction. We could do whole podcast on how they haven't quite figured out how they're going to regulate us, but they're going to do it. They've decided that. But most states are and so like, know, with that being said, like it's very clear.

5:02 I don't know how it is up there, but like in Texas and a lot of states, it's very clear that as general home inspectors, we are not code inspectors. And so everyone kind of rides that we are not code inspectors. But I mean, you know, so with that being said, like how does having the fast, accurate building code at your fingertips, like how does that benefit home inspectors? ah You know what? So you don't have to be able to quote the code and know the code to be able to benefit from understanding that earthquake straps are going to prevent your water heater from dancing around the house when you have an earthquake, which would lead to break in plumbing, which would mean that now a disaster has turned into a flood.

5:47 ah And there's a code for that. And if you're a DIYer and you're going, why is this the code? is there a regulation or something for this? If I put it in a different spot in my house, can I skip that? There's a million questions around the code. You don't have to understand what that code is to want to know answers around it. And so that's what this is designed for. It's to give you the answers, not just the code. Yeah, no. it also comes back to the standard, right? Building codes are the standard for building. And if you have no standard towards building, how can you keep people safe, make sure things that are conditionally sound and are functioning properly, how do you determine that?

6:35 So although we're not quoting code as home inspectors, we still have to abide by a standard. There needs to be something to go back to. Well, I think that we really need to touch on that, right? Because like when it comes to code, I asked you guys this question, but you guys know, and for those of you watching, I've been using CodePro for a long time now. For several months, you guys have let me use it and kind of get to know it a little bit. I love it. I use it a lot. I use it a lot more than I thought I would. And the thing is, a lot of inspectors are like, well, we're not code inspectors, but I mean... at least in states that are regulated that we had to take the national home inspectors exam and go, Beau, I know you've taken that as well. What was that all about code, right?

7:18 Tell me if those aren't part of home inspection, then how come we have to be so knowledgeable on codes to pass a test that most people fail. They actually are a very big part of our job. It's just like you said, Karl, we don't exactly quote code in our home inspection reports. But do we use code to find problems or to know what is right and what's wrong? Absolutely. We have to be very knowledgeable on code. And as we all know, uh going through a uh book is cumbersome, difficult. It's a lot to carry around. If you're going to try to carry that thing around, there's a lot to go through. It's massive. And so to go through and try to interpret it, there's a lot of different things.

8:00 Sometimes you're looking for something, uh one piece of code you might have to visit. a couple of different spots inside that book to get exactly what you're looking for. mean, it's a lot, right? Whereas like, know, CodePro is an app where you can just speak into your phone and ask it what you want to ask it and boom, it spits it out. So to those people that say we aren't code inspectors, we don't need this. I beg to differ. You absolutely do need that. Now I want to talk about something a little bit later that I do to use CodePro to help make some narratives for my home inspection reports. But I want to get into that a little bit later because I know we've got some other questions for you guys. one of the things that I love about this app seriously is that it condenses what is a regularly updated document that is hundreds and hundreds of pages long.

8:45 I mean, it's a Bible that is condensed down to a Bible app for builders, right? And in an age where we've had Kindle and gosh, mean, Barnes and Noble had their tablet for books for a long time. There's been digestible ways that we can take the printed word and all the information that we need in any profession and consume it. in a very digestible way right here on a device, but we haven't done that for building code. And so you guys have solved for that. This is the Amazon Kindle of building code. And so I think this just makes everybody that much smarter and that more knowledgeable. It also removes the excuse for not knowing it, right? You can't just sit here and take away this whole, well, you know, I'm not supposed to quote it, boy, you better know it.

9:29 And you better know it better than the guy who's right down the street from you, who's wanting to do this job for cheaper if you think you're going to continue to justify your price. So you need to be using these tools. And I love that you guys have put this out there, seriously. So Karl, um how does CodePro differ from just like using Google or Chat GPT? That's a great question. That's actually one of the most common questions that I get personally is why can't I just use chat, chat GPT? It searches the whole internet. It'll find the answer for me. And the question and the answer to that question is, is it's not trained on building code. Chat GPT is great for general knowledge and you're right. It can search the entire internet. It'll come up with questions, but it's not trained specifically on building code.

10:13 And furthermore, it's not trained specifically on building codes for your state and local jurisdiction. CodePro is. So it's getting the answers from the right source. think this uh now I think it's story time in the podcast. Do we have some music we can put over this like some story time music we can drop on this? uh Yeah, just like background, know, that got to get us in the mood. It's story time. So I was actually on the phone the other day with Beau and I called him. Is it going to sound completely off topic? It was not at nighttime. It was it was in the day. It wasn't weird. Don't make it weird. It was there in the day. And this is gonna seem off topic, but I promise I'll get there.

10:56 For those of you that don't know, I'm eclectic in my musical tastes, okay? And one of those things is heavy metal. And Beau is very eclectic in his musical taste too. I actually don't know what all he likes, but I know he's all over the place. So sometimes I bring this to him. But anyway, long story short, I was using Chat GPT because for those of who know, Megadeth just came out with a new album. It's self-titled. It is excellent, by the way. But they put a Metallica song on the end of that album. They recorded Ride the Lightning. OK, that might not seem like it has anything to do with anything, but see, Metallica will sue anybody for anything. ah If you just whisper their name in the wrong place, Metallica is going to sue you.

11:38 And so why was uh Megadeth able to release this on their album? I was curious about that. Even though I know that Dave Mustaine used to be in Metallica a long time ago, I still was wondering about that. So I asked chat GPT. Why was Megadeth able to release a uh Metallica song, Ride the Lightning on their new album? And Chat GPT told me Megadeth has never recorded and released Ride the Lightning on one of their releases on one of their albums. And to which I told Chat GPT, well, it most certainly has on the 2026 self-titled album. is the last song. And so I thought that was funny because Chat GPT was just straight up wrong.

12:19 And then it turned around and it goes yeah, you're right. On their self-titled 2026 release, the last song is Ride the Lightning by Metallica. And then I went down a rabbit hole of why that happened. But that's why I called Beau, because I was like, you know, we have AI talks all the time. And I was like, check out how wrong this was. That's where I brought the AI thing into the app, right? Because I started explaining that, well, that was one of the first problems that Karl and I were talking about when we were trying to figure out what we were going to do something with AI is that chat GPT was confidently wrong about code. It's because it's getting its information from such a broad database on the internet.

13:00 There's also people on the internet that are confidently wrong. It's going to come back to you with that same level of confidence. And the only way to eliminate that problem is to eliminate the confidently wrong answers or the wrong data pool. And ah there's nothing else out there that's trained on just one specific data pool here and won't get it wrong. And it's really essential in building code that you get correct answers that are not confidently wrong. And even after we trained it specifically just on building code, there was still a long ways to still get it to give you the correct answer in the correct way. mean, Karl could talk in depth about some of the stumbling blocks that we had along the way to try and figure that out.

13:46 Yeah, I know you guys have been watching. that AI has that problem, right? It can hallucinate. We're not to the point where it's right every single time. And I don't want to mislead anybody to say CodePro is a hundred percent accurate at all times, but it is going to give you the exact code source. And then it's going to give you a link to the website to where you can go up and verify that code. So the question is becomes how confident do you need to be about this code? And half the problem is knowing where to look, right? You got a thousand page document, you have a question in your mind, okay, where do I find it? Well, if you can ask a question, it gives you the source and then you can go to the document and go right to that source and go, oh, yep, I see it right here.

14:30 It's right, we verified it, we're good. So how crucial is it? How critical? You decide. If it's a general, I can just get by with this or I need to take this to court, then you may want to have a different process with those two, those two different scenarios. Now that makes sense. Now in the way that you guys have gone about training, and I'm also curious in how y'all have gone about updating it, like how regularly do you guys retrain it or feed it new information or is it basically self-taught in terms of updating itself whenever there's a new update to the building code that comes out? Yeah, so every three years, typically there's a code cycle, right? So ICC puts out different codes every three years. We actually just went through one in 2025 and it's going to need constant updating.

15:15 And also you have local jurisdictions and states that randomly at their discretion say, okay, we're going to update it. And so we do searches every month using AI and we go through and we search all that documentation. One of the biggest, I guess labor intensive tasks of building this was getting all the sources of the code and depending on what state you're in and what jurisdiction you're in. mean, you try to go and just find out what codes you should be looking at that in of itself took me months to go through all 50 states and figure that out and then compile that information. It's all available on our website, coproapp.com. can click on your state, find out exactly what's going on and we do keep it regularly updated.

15:58 Yeah, I mean, it is brutal to go digging through code. It really is. And I mean, I've done it for years and for a long time, I carried around one of those code checkbooks. Y'all familiar with those? Like it is kind of like an equivalent to code. And those were great because it had a lot of stuff. didn't have everything. And obviously if they were going to fit a lot of information in this book, they were going to have to summarize it quite a bit. And so it basically just kind of you got you in the right direction. Sometimes you'd have to get out the book. would tell you where to go. And then you get out the book and you read the code and kind of dig a little bit deeper. But, just having code at my fingertips has changed a lot. And that, and what I was talking about earlier was writing home inspection narratives.

16:42 So I myself, just like a lot of home inspectors, when I started my company, I purchased a template from a experienced inspector. Um, and so When I started, I had 25 years of experience in narratives already on my system, which is pretty cool because in addition to all the training that I had, all those narratives came from an experienced home inspector. So it's essentially like another form of training. It really helped me determine not only what I was supposed to be looking at, but how I was supposed to write up what I was looking at, because it doesn't matter. You can have thousands of narratives. You still have to write one every now and again. So it really helped direct me in how to do that.

17:25 um Which is fine. I did that for years uh Maybe create you because I'm constantly a couple times a week creating something new that something I find that's new or perspective of something or or things change and so You know codes change or standards change and so I have to change those narratives But what I found was after using that for years and using those narratives for years They kind of became a little bit outdated and so I would look at them and be like I can do better than this. And so I developed a method of grabbing, you know, saying whatever the problem is. And this might've been a narrative that I use on, you know, 95 % of my reports, but I looked at them sometimes and thought, man, this can be done better.

18:11 And so I would just, whatever the problem was that I was putting a narrative in for, I just said that problem into code pro and it spit out everything you needed to know about it. The code reference, why it's a problem. all of that stuff. Then I just copied that into chat GPT and said, Hey, Chat GPT, take this information and summarize it into a narrative for a home inspection report, but remove any code reference because obviously I'm not supposed to quote code, right? But I use the code to create my narrative. I mean, Chat GPT didn't do anything that I wouldn't have done, but it did it in a much cleaner, much more professional way. And I've been slowly but surely updating a lot of narratives in my uh library by using that methods, just taking whatever problem I see.

18:59 And I've been new things to take them, run them through CodePro. CodePro gives you accurate information. And then you just run that to Chat GPT and create a narrative. Yeah. Well, and beyond being like an inspector, there's a couple of contractors here in Utah that do uh unique tiny home builds. And I don't know if you guys know a lot about construction constraints when it comes to building those tiny homes, but trying to build a really, really small house and get everything really close together and staying within the confines of code and keeping the things that are supposed to be apart from each other, apart from each other, the appropriate distances. can get really difficult.

19:40 And there's a couple of contractors that have called me regularly asking for uh questions around how they should build something in a house. And if I don't know the answer, I can look it up on CodePro and get an answer in about 30 seconds and look like I'm a freaking genius, man. I know the code, all the codes, all the time. And here's soon. I'm gonna be telling those guys, you just need to download the app. Stop calling me. I know, I don't. That's the thing, it's like I love being that guy. I get it, man.

20:20 That's been happening to me for years. People ask me construction questions, building questions, code questions. I've been answering these questions for years, but the way I go about it these days is different. I know it's a lot easier to obtain answers. I think to speak back to Brad's point, loop it back to where we started on this thing was that if you're in business for yourself or you're running a multi-inspector firm, strategic innovation has to be at the top of your list. You have to be innovating in that business. And the only way to innovate is to be developing yourself in new ways and gaining knowledge in different ways. And we're at the cutting edge of that right now.

21:03 You have to dig in. can't just get by going through the paces and showing up every day like you always have. You've got to be learning new things, creating new tools for yourself. And I think that if you're trying to add value as a home inspector, you need to at least know what are the codes adopted for my state. Because before I started working on CodePro, I'd been an inspector for six or seven years, guys. And I'm going to tell you something. I didn't know. What was... the codes, where do I find the amendments? That's sad to say, but I didn't. And I bet there's a lot of inspectors out there that don't know what the codes are or where to find them for their local jurisdiction. Use the CodePro app website, because to be honest, there wasn't really a good resource for this until we built it.

21:45 We solved the pain point and we solved it. Know the codes, know where to find them. And that way, when people come to you and they have these questions, You can position yourself as an expert and then the word spreads about you and you start to set yourself apart from the guys that are just going through the paces and screwing around. Yeah, no, that's huge, man. And the other thing too, that I want to get at, it's, and we were talking about this before we hit record here, Karl, uh part and parcel with this is adoption of AI tools as well, which again, we've done a whole other episode, Matt and Beau almost fought each other through the screen and then they almost fought each other at field about it, you know, but, but I feel like, Beau, kind of feel like Matt's come around a little bit, don't you?

22:27 Yeah, I told you, I told you it was gonna happen. If you wanted to stay at the front of this, you gotta adopt the AI. guys want to pulling up old baggage, we can, man. like, position is actually still the same. I like the fact that we use it to make ourselves better. What I didn't like is kind of the reason why we're having some of these conversations is because I feel like this technology to some degree is going to empower homeowners to feel like they can do this themselves. And I don't think that's very good. And I'm not saying it from a perspective of I don't want to lose the business. I'm saying it from a perspective of they're not going to be that good at it. And so.

23:07 between knowing how to find code and knowing how to interpret it and understand it. my whole bit with uh AI this whole time has been people not understanding that, like homeowners not understanding that. And again, like there's plenty of people out there that want to hire a home inspector. I don't think I'm like losing business over it. What I'm more concerned about are those people that think I can do this myself. I don't need to get that guy in. I don't worry about losing their business. I worry for them. Yeah, well, I hear that. oh is so at their fingertips that they can go in there and be like, I don't need a home inspector. I was going to take these pictures and stuff.

23:47 mean, and this is just, um, you know, and put them in chat GPT or, or whatever. And then, and then I'll do my own home inspection. But I mean, like just, we said it today. It can totally, I mean, not maybe not code pro because the way it's trained, but like these people that think they can do that. Chat GPT and these AI tools, it can be wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have people all the time that go on my videos and point out things and they are so just like Chat GPT, they are so competent in being wrong. They have no idea what they're talking about, but they're so happy to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Those are the people that are going to go do their own home inspection and fail miserably.

24:31 That's feel for them, I guess. Well, and that's the other thing too. mean, the tools are catching up faster than ever. I I remember it wasn't even two years ago. uh Barely a year ago, we were laughing about AI generated images and people having six fingers and three arms. And now people are making full on AI generated videos, you know, with facial swapping and it looks very, very real. You know, it's starting to fool some old timers out there that are sharing these things online. But my question is, it's still not foolproof. So Karl, what is really the biggest incentive for inspectors to start adopting these tools now when they're still not completely foolproof.

25:11 I mean, what is foolproof, to be honest? mean, even us as home inspectors, have errors and omissions. We do the best we can. We're human, right? So there are mistakes everywhere. But the thing is, it doesn't have to be foolproof to really increase the quality of your business and your ability to create a value for your client. And I've got lots of ways that I do that with AI. And no, it's not perfect, but neither are any of us. And we're still creating value for our clients. If you don't get on it now, you're going to be like the old guy that never used the computer and he's just so lost, he had nowhere to start. And that's where you do not want to be. You got to, you got to take it one bite at a time. Yeah.

25:52 I mean, I can totally see that because like, you know, when I'm doing inspections, um, you know, or when I'm using CodePro, should say, or CodePro or chat GPT, whatever it is, any type of AI tool, um, you have to know what you're asking. And just like the story I was telling them that I was talking about the other day, I usually already kind of know the answer. I'm just either asking it for verification or specifics. And sometimes I mean, Look, I wouldn't be asking the question if I wasn't already knowledgeable in it. I asked the question in chat GPT sometimes it'll spit out the wrong answer. I know enough to know when it's wrong, but that's just because I'm, I've been doing home inspection for a long time.

26:35 I was trained in it. I was trained in code. And so, you know, I know that, um, chat GPT, I think when we were working out some bugs, we had some issues with that too. Right. Because like say I've been using it for months and I feel like I reached out to you guys one time and went, Hey, this is wrong. But it was just a bug you worked through, but you guys have worked through all this stuff. Yeah. to be 100 % never ever infallible. It's not quite to that stage yet. just to exactly what your example was, I use it all the time for like, I see that that exhaust vent on the side of the house is pretty close to the window. I can't remember if it's supposed to be 36 inches or 48 inches.

27:18 I know it's one of those two. And if I'm going to call it out. and say that it's too close to window, I'd better know the distance or I'm to look like a idiot if it's 48 inches and it's actually 47 inches away, something like that. And so to be able to just quickly whip out Code Pro and be like, hey, how far is an exhaust vent supposed to be from an opening window? And it just spit out the answer. I knew that code existed, but I now can quickly verify, yeah, this is the exact number and the exact regulation and... And yes, and if it changed, I will get the update on it. A great example of that is you used to have the occupant door in the house in Utah uh from the garage to the house.

28:04 The regulation said that it had to be self-closing and then it changed it to self-latching. And then Utah completely omitted that sentence. And so now there is no code in Utah. for your occupant door from your house to garage to be self-closing or anything like that. It just has to be weather sealed. And that's it. and fire-rated. But the self-closing, self-latching thing, which still exists in other states all over the place, doesn't exist here. And as an inspector, if you walk in from out of state and call that out as a regulatory action, everybody here is going to go, you're an idiot, man.

28:44 That's not code. And it's because they removed that. that's the big thing with CodePro is it's looking at the international documents and then it's cross-referencing the amendments and it's prioritizing the amendments per your particular area. And that's where people get hung up. Okay. Maybe, you know, there's a regulation in the 2021 IRC, but what does the amendment document say and how does it amend that code to your particular area? That's really important because you can get yourself in trouble by saying confidently that Like you said, confidently wrong. You shared a use case, Matt. I'll share one with you. I had just yesterday with a client buying a $15 million house in Hawaii.

29:24 Okay, because I run a home inspection too. I'm doing the app thing on the side really. uh I $15 million house in Hawaii. They're building it. Called me up, said, hey, here you're the guy to go to. We're building the house. We want to make sure we get the phase inspections. And now he's consulting with me. So he said, hey, I got this message from the builder. They want to bury the AV codes if I can't come up with exactly where I want them terminated and exactly what I want hooked up. But he said, I have a feeling they're in cahoots with the AV company and they're trying to push me to get this stuff done and get more money out of me. And he said, I don't feel good about this and I don't know enough about code, but it just doesn't sound right.

30:05 Can you look into this for me? So quickly with AI, was able to solve that problem. Whereas it would have taken me half a day to research all that before I typed his, I literally took his email thread from his builder, dropped it into chat GPT and said, summarize this. And it gave me a summarization. I dropped that into code pro, asked it the question, gave it back to chat GPT, told it to set to make me up an email to the guy. I gave him the, I sent him an email. I read it. I'm like, this is the most professional thing. It had the code quotes, everything in it. And it totally put the builder to shame really. And it's like, I didn't, I wasn't beating up on the builder. Cause I know we've talked a lot about that.

30:46 It's like, I'm not here to beat up on the builder, but I said, Hey, make sure you go to the builder and say, where can you, can you tell me where you're getting this information that we need to have these terminations? And cause the builder was saying they couldn't terminate it to a junction box with, with a cover plate, AV low voltage. Why? Why can't it? And we wanted to dispel that. So ask them, where are you getting this information? Can you cite a code? Can you tell me if you've had issues with the, with the County inspector, what's going on? And then it's like, you're not saying you're wrong. You're just saying, give me the information I need, put them on the spot a little bit, but that's just a, a really great use case. And then I go looking like the expert to this guy. You think he's not going to tell his friends about me when, they're buying a house and getting things built, especially with that lightning quick response.

31:29 Not if you made him look bad, man. No way. He's not going to tell anybody. No, think that's, totally true, man. I mean, being able to, uh, you know, formulate a response, like an irrefutable response. And I think you brought up a good point, like, uh, something we want to talk about anyway. You know, builders can use this too. This is not a home inspectors app. Like this is, this is an app for builders tradesmen. uh real estate professionals, home inspectors. I mean, there are a lot of people that could benefit from access to accurate code information at the fingertips. One thing that I want to talk about though is, because Karl, you're already talking about your home inspection company in Hawaii.

32:15 One, how do you manage that remotely? That's massive, man. mean, because last time we talked to you, you were in Montana. But on top of that, how can readily accessible code information like this really help to make for a more unified team when you're running a multi-inspector firm? Great question. I'll spend sometimes a month or two away from my business and it runs very efficiently. It runs efficiently due to systems and processes. And to be completely honest, most of the systems and processes that I've put in place, I've used AI. I got really passionate about AI as soon as it came out and I've been using tools to just system, systematize everything.

32:56 But to speak on how it's changed, how CodePro specifically has changed my business. I used to get five calls a day. from my inspectors saying, well, what about this? And what about that? What about this? They're asking me questions and I'm basically just consulting with them. Now I say, you know, CodePro has a team subscription, right? So you can sign up your whole team under one subscription. So the business owner pays for it, gives every, sends everybody an email. They sign up. Now all my guys are on it. You know how many calls I get a day? It's like basic questions about like, how should I organize the report? I don't get code questions anymore. And my guys are accurate and confident in their answers because they're using it on a daily basis. I can go in look at their history and see what they're chatting about.

33:37 It's kind of fun. Now that's cool, don't have a team subscription. got to talk to you guys about that. I got to my team on it. I'm still the go-to guy to ask question. I need to get my team on it. We need at least three videos a month. You'll get a team subscription for free. All right. That's, that's, let me step in here before Karl starts giving things away. All right. Hahahaha The podcast isn't boring at least. business relations there, the influencer relations. Well, I mean, that's the deal, man. Like we're over here talking about this, but I mean, like I have, I've been using it in the field for months and, um, and I, and I really, you know, I can speak from a user perspective.

34:22 I mean, you guys are my friends, but I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm, not getting paid to do this, right? You guys were like, Hey, can you test this out? I was like, yeah, let me test it out. And, um, and if it sucked, would tell you it sucked. But it just doesn't, man. It's been really cool to use. let me interrupt you for a second. Karl might kill me for doing this, but do you have a complaint about it? Because there's an update coming out here very, very soon, that whatever complaints you might have might even be getting solved. But I just want to know, do you have a complaint about it? Is there something you wish it would do better from a home inspector point of view? of anything.

35:04 A lot of the things that I had already brought up to me, like at one point you couldn't select text, text out of it and copy it and paste it. That was a thing that you couldn't do in the beginning. And that got stalls. uh, I can't think. There's been a couple of little bugs and stuff here and there that I was like, Hey, what about this and that? I I've told you guys any type of constructive criticism I have. At this point, I don't know what there is to improve. Man, that's huge. Yeah. And that's basically where we think we are too. uh Last time we talked when we were at inspection fuel, it was right at that crucial edge of like, okay, we've pretty much got most of the bugs figured out.

35:45 We're pretty much ready to roll out. It's roll out. We're done. ah And it's time to rock and roll with this thing. All the bugs are fixed. As you can attest, somebody who's been beta testing for a while for us... uh We've really been plugging away trying to create something that's more than just another AI plugin. This is something that is designed to solve a real pain point for a lot of people. And just like you said at the beginning, when I first started using it, I didn't realize how useful it was and how much I was going to start using it. I was on the exact same page and we built the thing. ah I shouldn't even say we. Karl has been... the man, the myth, legend here in doing all of this.

36:26 I'm just the guy that thought it was really, really cool and is happy to market it. it's an excellent app and it's going to be really, really beneficial, I believe. I think that that's a key difference you brought up between previous conversations we've had about this app and now is that it is actually available. So isn't like something that's coming up. This is something you can get right now. So tell everybody how they can access that. It's live on the App Store. It doesn't matter. You got Android, you got Apple. It doesn't matter where you're looking right now. You just need to get in there and search code pro. It's the one with the little yellow house. Hard to miss it. And then once you download it, it's got a great walkthrough process.

37:08 It'll explain to you how the app works. And can start burrowing in and start asking questions right away. uh Get a chance to figure out if you really, really like it. And I guarantee, after giving it a try for a little while, you're going to find a million different reasons to start pulling it out and going, Is that code or is that, or how far was that supposed to be exactly? can't remember that. But I have the answers now and they're easy to get to, so I'm gonna ask. Yeah. search CodePro app. That'll get you there a little closer. And if you want direct link to the App Store uh app, you just go to CodePro app.com and then you can just click Android or Apple and it'll take you right to the App Store and you can download it. And I agree with Beau. It's like, I didn't know how much, how curious I was about code until I had, it was so easy to look up, you know, I'm on like new bills or specialty inspections and I'm like, How many, are there nail plates supposed to be over those electrical wires?

38:01 And what's the distance from the nail plate to the wire? And you just looking up all these little things where it's like, you're not quite confident on it and you can ask those questions and get really good results really quick. Yeah, you're better than the eye test at this point. Now are you guys running any using it, would ask it just dumb questions I knew the answer to just to see, know, dumb questions about windows, window heights and stuff like that. I remember asking it that several times, just getting it and like trying to figure out how to take that and put that into chat GPT. Like I do whatever, like trying to get my process down, but just kind of testing it out. See how it works. I think everybody does that. Everybody, the first couple of things they do is like, I'm gonna ask it a question I know the answer to, just to see if it gets it right. I'm trying to trick it with an answer I know, you know?

38:43 I remember um thinking in the beginning, like, damn, I hope these guys can't see this because I'm like, where is GFCI required? You know, totally know the answer to that. And it like spits out the answer. I'm like testing it, you know, but I got to look at see my questions. Now, so another question I got, first of all, are you guys offering any specials for anybody? Is this a subscription based platform and are you guys running any specials at the launch right now that people should know about? I If you guys are looking for a way to download the apps you're interested in with it, what you can do is use the Ride Along affiliate code. We're going to have that somewhere in the thingy around here that you guys can click on. And then of course, if you want to go to the website and kind of take a look at it and get a chance to download it from there as well, you can.

39:27 For now, we're running a special. We're going to get some discounted tokens at the beginning. That is a temporary... Discount for a little bit. So please get in, download the app, check it out. We are going to be removing that. It's while it lasts. write along is all capital letters. So when you go to sign up for the app, you can just type that into the affiliate code field and it'll take you there. You heard it here first guys. It's going to be down in the show description. We'll put the link and then we'll put the code down there as well. So be sure to go check it out. This is huge guys. I'm excited for y'all man. Seriously. We've gone from, because we, but we talked about this last year. It was in concept. We talked about it at fuel. It was in development and here we are at launch guys.

40:08 I'm excited for y'all. Congratulations. been a big pain point for, I know a lot of people is just not understanding codes. I've got now builders, electricians, plumbers that are coming to me. Uh, they're there. It's funny when the builders and the plumbers and the electricians are asking you code questions. As I have that happen when I'm on new builds, they'll be, they'll come up to me. Hey, can you answer this question? Cause I don't know. And I bust out code pro right in front of them. And I started asking questions and it gives me the answer with the amendments. And they're like, what's that? I'm like, it's a CodePro app, man. He's, know, it's like, believe it or not. Home inspectors are the authority and they are the experts. Even though we're not code inspectors, people look at us that way and they're going to be asking these questions. So it solves the problem for a lot of people.

40:50 And that's why I'm very excited about it. It just adds a lot of value to the building industry because we all need to be better. We all need to be better. absolutely, man. Now that's huge. Now I have one other question for you guys about it because you mentioned at the top of the show using code specifically in say a court case if you're called as a professional witness. uh Does Code Pro need to go through any sort of state verification or registration to be considered a verified code source? platform or something like that? Or is there any liability involved in using it for anything other than citing or sourcing code?

41:30 Yeah, that's a good question, Brad. We should touch on it. um Certainly, if you're going to be taking things to court or in some type of legal fashion, I would go straight to the code document. CodePro is a great resource. It helps everybody to understand code better, but there's nothing that supersedes the actual code source, which is either going to be your ICC uh code document or It may be the NEC in some cases, the fire code. then of course, your state or local jurisdictions amendments. Those are going to be your official sources. It's just referencing those. It's like me going to a friend and who is an expert in a particular topic and saying, hey, can you tell me a little bit about this? And then them regurgitating it to me.

42:10 uh can tell you where to go find all that. That's what I was going to say is every single time you ask it a question, it will give you a link. You hit the link at the end of that link is the document that you're looking for that that is referencing. And so if you are going to be doing the court case, right, you ask it the question referencing your court case. It gives you a link. You click the link. You now have access to the document that you're referencing for your court case. And you look like an authority with a lot less work. This is the thing it's solving for people. You're getting these answers with ease. And that was one of the primary reasons why as a home inspector, I didn't know as much code as I do now is because I would just tell myself, well, you're not a code inspector.

42:58 And the honest truth behind that was it's a pain in the ass to look it up and figure out whether or not I'm even right on the right topic on the right page in the right document in the right place in the right state for the right amendment, you know? And... That's all solved now. Why wasn't it easier before? We have the technology to do it. Why wasn't it in a phone before? If you looked at all the options before now, they were terrible. So this solves a big problem. And if you don't know where to look for code and you don't know anything about code for your state, like I said, CodePro app website, we took almost a year to develop it. That is the greatest resource that exists on the internet for state specific building code. I know because I spent almost a year searching the internet for state, state specific building code.

43:40 You can go, I created my own basically organization process around code. There's three different levels. You have state adopted code, you have local adopted code, and then you have a hybrid. type model. So when you go to your state's page, it will tell you, you state adopted, local or hybrid? And then explains what that is. And then it has a link like Beau was saying to all the code documents, including your state specific amendments and where to find those. Because like I was searching for state specific amendments for Utah, for example, it's so buried in legal documents within state websites and government. bureaucracy. It's just, ridiculous how difficult it is to find documents that we all need access to, to be safe and to build well.

44:27 It's, it's, it's, but we're, trying to make it more accessible. No, you guys are doing an amazing job with it, seriously. And again, this is a... It's important for all of us, a little bit of a pivot here, it's important for all of us as inspectors to be experts on all things building, even if we're not actively or have never been active as construction experts or ah laborers in any way, shape or form and building a home, we got to know about it, right? But that goes into knowing about not just the code, but also materials. And Matt, I want to pivot because there's something pretty cool coming up that we're going to be at here in a couple of weeks. That is correct. It's got an acronym that is maybe not so favorable, but we're going to IBS, the International Builder Show.

45:17 I'm super excited about that. I've been going, this will be my fourth year in a row to go to that show. Beau, you were there with me last year. uh That's next year. yeah, this year's in Orlando, Florida. the last year for Orlando. This show kind of just belongs in Vegas. uh But yeah, I mean, what's that? It's a CES for all things constructions. Consumer electronics show. Yeah, you remember that's a Vegas. up that convention center when I was there for it. That's where it fits. It's just insane. it's a really, you know, I first went there about four years ago and I thought to myself, first of all, I was completely overwhelmed, but I thought to myself, what is an inspector doing here?

46:03 know, SASHCO brought me out there and it took me a whole day to figure out what I was doing there. And then I figured out like, wow, there's so much to learn here. There's more to learn here. I learned more from going there. and learning about new products and talking to some of the people that are involved in them, then I do with any inspector CE or the most inspector CE's. I've already learned all that stuff, you But if I can go to places like the builder show and learn about what's more going on inside the walls, about up and coming products, I'll go and see products pop up on new construction. And it's like, yeah, I know about that. You know, I've seen that I've seen that in action.

46:43 I've seen the people, I know the people that make that product, you know, there's a lot of that to be had out there. This is probably the biggest one, uh, you know, build builders show every year. And, man, it's fantastic. I am super excited. Hold on. I got some stuff. I'm, I'm, I'm giving away some really cool stuff at the show. Matt. One of those guitars? You giving away one of your guitars, buddy? I'll take one of those. It couldn't be this, could it? That one of them. That's one of them. Also I've got, I got a couple of booth appearance. One of them is that the Owens Corning booth. I've got these really cool uh hats that are designed just for the Florida show. And I got Owens Corning lumber on the side.

47:25 I, somewhere around here, I have another one for the Fusion Air. You guys, that's a really cool product, but I got some co-branded hats with them. So I got a hundred uh Owens Corning hats. got a hundred Fusion Air hats. uh And then that, comic book which Beau you were showing you can show them the comic book the Adventures of inspection man. Oh, you got it back there. Hold on. Yeah, I know, it's back here. Right here, I got it. But I'll meld this back for one of the hats. Do I get one of the hats if I meld this back? I want... straight out. I just want to get a signed copy of this comic book, man. let you have one of these because you're in it. Beau makes a cameo in it.

48:07 Where are you? Here's Beau. I love that you have your own comic book, dude. Who did you get to do these comic books for you? This is awesome. a guess. in. Who illustrated it or who printed it? No, who, was what you use to produce it. Yeah. Yeah, how'd you produce this thing? by chat GPT. I literally just, um, every, every picture in here was made by Chat GPT. And then, um, and then, uh, as far as making it, I went to, I just started Googling, uh, companies that, that do that stuff. And one of the, one that came up was, think they're called Nick Sam and, um, and yeah, so they did, they weren't cheap and they actually turned out way better than I even need them to be thicker paper and everything.

48:56 Yeah, they're cool looking man. And so I'm going to have you guys, if you all follow me here in the next day or so, I'm going to put together some sheet that shows all the boots I'm going to be at and what I'm going be giving away and stuff. And also I heard that Owens Corning uh Owens Corning Lumber, in addition to the hats that I have, they are going to be giving away a thermal camera while I'm there as well. It's a FLIR. I gotta say Matt, if you have a man cave and you don't have a, it's not supposed to do that comic book in your man cave, you're just doing it wrong. You're just doing it wrong. There's only one way you can get them.

49:37 Yeah, yeah. There's only one way to do it right. You finally got something. isn't even all that much for, uh, for IBS. It cost isn't even all that much for IBS. It's only like 195 still. So I would highly recommend if you're a Florida home inspector and spit in distance of Orlando that you, that you show up seriously, go ahead, get registered, come on out. Uh, again, like you said, Matt, it's going to be really cool to start seeing stuff that's being actively produced right now that we're going to all start seeing in the field here in short order. So. Beau can attest, and not that I'm like, I don't, I don't work for the international builder show. So, I mean, it doesn't matter. want you to go cause I want you to get the knowledge, but also Beau can attest that like, is a mecca for content.

50:21 If you're a content creating home inspector or content creator period in regards to like homes at all. yeah, totally. Networking is really my favorite part. Even if it's like, it's just such a great conglomeration of things. You get to learn about all the new products that are coming out and that all of the new stuff that they're going to be putting on houses so that as you're walking through new construction, you see something new. go, I've seen that. I saw the company that's making that stuff. Got to talk to them about how it's made and how to apply it. These guys aren't even installing it right because I saw how to install it correctly at the show. And then uh while I was there, I met uh Hydro Block, which is a company here in Utah that's manufacturing exterior sheathing that's waterproof.

51:06 And it's like staged to be the next replacement for most of the exterior sheathing uh on the commercial buildings here in the city of Utah. And I know the guys that are running that company now and met them and started networking. So just the connections and network that you can uh develop by going to an event like that. is priceless, even if it's not gonna benefit you directly, your trade directly, if it has anything to do with construction, it does. You're just thinking wrong. Love it. And Karl and Beau, thank you so much for being here. It's been good to see you guys again. Always awesome to talk with you all just in general, but always so great to have you both on the show, truly. Thanks, Brad. Really appreciate it. If anybody wants to get a hold of Beau or I, think everybody probably knows Beau from Instagram.

51:51 If you want to get a hold of me, got questions about CodePro or AI, you could reach out via info at codeproapp.com and we keep up with our emails. So shoot me a message anytime. and throw your handle out there to case one or two people want to follow you. I don't, I don't, nobody knows about me. uh I'm home inspector underscore Salt Lake. And I'm on uh Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and I've got a budding YouTube page called Homeowners University. Hey, good stuff, man. That's awesome. And you also ride skis behind horses in flamboyant jackets, if I'm not mistaken.

52:33 yes, I do uh ski-jorning professionally here at the Pro Ski-Jor uh Circuit. It's a kind of a Northwest uh American thing, Montana, Idaho, and Utah, they got the circuit. So uh my company uh sponsors me as a pro in that event, and I have crashed at every event I've been to so far. So I'm doing great this year, guys. it's tough, man. Here's to staying on your feet in this competition, man. yeah. Hey, I gotta throw it out there real quick guys. uh CodePro app has developed a new tool for doing solar inspections. So I'm just saying if you guys wanna start to monetize all the solar panels that are on these people's roofs and really add value to your clients in that way, we've rolled it out in Hawaii.

53:20 We're doing very well with it. A lot of people are adding it on. It's $350 and the inspection takes us 30, 45 minutes to do it. That information is at solar.codeproapp.com. I'm running, I'm here in Utah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, it could be huge for Florida for sure. Yeah, very cool guys. Well, we appreciate it guys. Thank you so much for being here. Matt. Good to see as ever. I'll see you down in Orlando and thank you everybody for watching. We'll see you all next time right here on. Bye long. You got it. Thanks, boys.